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Karpen's Pile: A Battery That Produces Energy Continuously Since 1950 Exists in Romanian Museum
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sometimes to understand one thing you must understand something else keep this in mind when you going through some of these topics they're all on the same thing but they're all talking about something we think are quite different. Creating a battery that will last for long periods of time is been found in nature and has been studied for some time now why again wouldn't we know about this sooner oh, of course you know it has to do with marketing you can't Market something that people rarely buy!
It's what you call an oxymoron if you get my drift especially when you're trying to make a profit. But let's go into this battery and people who replicated it below
another Karpen Pile replication but this time i used some different chemicals. What was interesting is that
had a cup of water that i poured hand sanitizer on it and it rested on top. I placed the same metal electordes
of copper in each liquid but i got nothing until i added the sodium hydroxide or drain cleaner to the mix and
it started working. I think if this was merely a concentration cell than the drain cleaner would not be needed
and the cell would work without it but instead the drain cleaner is needed. Also I can short out the two copper
electrodes but yet no bubbles form, this is leading me to think that this is not a chemical cell. It is amazing
that it works. I'm also surprised by the lack of people wanting to work on his replications.
Google "Vasile Karpen", and you'll find thousands of this:
"Built by Vasile Karpen, the pile has been working uninterrupted for 60 years..."
Here is is again, PLUS his French Patent ( erroneously reported as being patented in 1922 -- actually, it was 1924 ) -- and an English translation.
Water is just amazing. I feel like we will never fully understand water even though it seems so simple. I recommend watching the video below, it gives good information about water and this info could help you better understand your crystal cells better.
http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/20101227/karpen-039pilebattery-produces-energy-continuously-since-1950-exists-romanian-museum.htm
27 December 2010
The "Dimitrie Leonida" National Technical Museum from Romania hosts a weird kind of battery. Built by Vasile Karpen, the pile has been working uninterrupted for 60 years. "I admit it's also hard for me to advance the idea of an overunity generator without sounding ridiculous, even if the object exists," says Nicolae Diaconescu, engineer and director of the museum.
The invention cannot be exposed because the museum doesn't have enough money to buy the security system necessary for such an exhibit.
Half a century ago, the pile's inventor had said it will work forever, and so far it looks like he was right. Karpen's perpetual motion machine now sits secured right in the director's office. It has been called "the uniform-temperature thermoelectric pile," and the first prototype has been built in the 1950s. Although it should have stopped working decades ago, it didn't.
The scientists can't explain how the contraption, patented in 1922, works. The fact that still puzzles them is how a man of such a scientific stature such as Karpen's could have started building something "that crazy."
The prototype has been assembled in 1950 and consists of two series-connected electric piles moving a small galvanometric motor. The motor moves a blade that is connected to a switch. With every half rotation, the blade opens the circuit and closes it at the the start of the second half. The blade's rotation time had been calculated so that the piles have time to recharge and that they can rebuild their polarity during the time that the circuit is open.
The purpose of the motor and the blades was to show that the piles actually generate electricity, but they're not needed anymore, since current technology allows us to measure all the parameters and outline all of them in a more proper way.
A Romanian newspaper, ZIUA (The Day), went to the museum for an interview with director Diaconescu. He took the system ouT of its secured shelf and allowed the specialists to measure its output with a digital multimeter. This happened on Feb. 27, 2006, and the batteries had indicated the same 1 Volt as back in 1950.
They had mentioned that "unlike the lessons they teach you in the 7th grade physics class, the 'Karpen's Pile' has one of its electrodes made of gold, the other of platinum, and the electrolyte (the liquid that the two electrodes are immersed in), is high-purity sulfuric acid." Karpen's device could be scaled up to harvest more power, adds Diaconescu.
Karpen's battery had been exhibited in several scientific conferences in Paris, Bucharest and Bologna, Italy, where its construction had been explained widely. Researchers from the University of Brasov and the Polytechnic University of Bucharest in Romania have even performed special studies on the battery, but didn't pull a clear conclusion.
"The French showed themselves very interested by this patrimonial object in the 70s, and wanted to take it. Our museum has been able to keep it, though. As time passed, the fact that the battery doesn't stop producing energy is more and more clear, giving birth to the legend of a perpetual motion machine."
Some scientists say the device works by transforming thermal energy into mechanical work, but Diaconescu doesn't subscribe to this theory.
According to some who studied Karpen's theoretical work, the pile he invented defies the second principle of thermodynamics (referring to the transformation of thermal energy into mechanical work), and this makes it a second-degree perpetual motion machine. Others say it doesn't, being merely a generalization to the law, and an application of zero point energy.
If Karpen was right, and the principle is 100% correct, it would revolutionize all of the physics theories from the bottom up, with hard to imagine consequences. Though I guess this isn't going to happen very soon, the museum still needs proper private funding to acquire the necessary security equipment required by the police to exhibit the device.
EC: H01M6/00; Y02E60/12
IPC: H01M6/00; H01M6/00
1924-08-30
Pile électrique. L'objet de la présente invention est une pile électrique transformant la chaleur du milieu ambiant en énergie électrique. Cette pile est formée, soit de deux. phases liquides, soit l'une phase liquide et d'une phase gazeuse, les deux phases étant en contact, mais n'étant pas miscibles, soit enfin d'une seule phase liquide; et de deux électrodes en métal ou en charbon en contact avec les phases. Les électrodes sont, dans tous les cas, inattaquables par les liquides ou les gaz:avec lesquels elles sn trouvent en contact, leur poids et leur na ture restent invariables pendant le repos et le fonctionnement de la pile, différant en cela de toutes les piles connues. Il en est de même des différentes phases liquides ou gazeuses de la pile, lesquelles resténf égaiement invariablés, aucune réaction chimique ne seproduisant entre les éléments de la pile phases et electrodes.
Les figures annexées de i â 3 indiquent des formes diverses de réalisation de la pile, objet de l'invention.
La figure 1 représente une pile formée de deux phases liquides A et B, les électrodes étant complètement immergées l'une dans la phase A, l'autre dans la phase B.
Exemple se rapportant â la figure 2. Les phases A et B résultant d'un mélange d'eau, d'alcool amylique et d'hydroxyde de sodium, mélange qui se sépare, â l'équilibre, en deux phases; la phase B surtout aqueuse, la phase A surtout alcoolique. Les électrodes sont en charbon ou en platine. La force électromotrive, dirigée, â l'extérieur, de A vers B est, â la température de la chambre, d'environ 0,4- voit. La figure n représente une pile dans la quelle l'une des phases est liquide et l'autre phase est liquide ou gazeuse. L'une des electrodes est en partie immersed dans l'une des phases, en partie dans l'autre phase, la deuxième électrode est complètement im mergée dans l'une des phases.
Exemple se rapportant â la figure 3. La phase B est formée d'une solution- aqueuse d'hydroxyde de sodium, la phase A est formée d'air et de vapeurs- de B ou de benzine. Les électrodes sont en platine, en nickel ou en charbon. La force électromotrice dirigée, â l'extérieur, de À vers B est; â la température de la chambre, comprise entre o,4 et o,8 voit.
La figure 3 représente une pile formée d'un seul liquide, dans lequel se trouvent deux électrodes différentes.
Exemple se rapportant â la figure 3. Le liquide est formé d'eau rendue bonne con ductrice de l'électricity par un sel alcalin, par exemple le carbonate de sodium, et les electrodes sont formées : soit de deux métaux dif férents comme le platine et le nickel, soit d'une électrode métallique et d'une autre electrode en charbon, soit encore d'une électrode en charbon et d'une autre électrode toujours en charbon, mais de qualite différente, par exemple, une électrode en graphite et l'autre en charbon de cornue ou une électrode en charbon de bois et l'autre en charbon de cornue, etc. Les électrodes peuvent être mas sives ou formées de poudres contenues dans. des sacs, ou des vases poreux, etc. La force électromotrice est comprise entre o, & et 0,8 voit.
Dans tous les modes d'exécution de la presente pile, les phases sont en équilibre chimique; aucune réaction n'a lieu entre les phases en contact, il ne se produit aucune va riation de la concentration des phases, comme c'est le cas pendant le fonctionnement des piles de concentration connues. Aucun changement n'intervient non plus dans le poids ou la nature des electrodes. La pile se refroidit, pendant le fonctionment, sous la tempéra ture du milieu ambiant, lequel peut être un milieu naturel que Pair, Peau, la terre, etc., et reçoit de ce milieu la chaleur équivalente â l'énergie électrique déveloped.
'Les piles connues de concentration, emp aussi au milieu extérieur la chaleur équivalente à l'énergie électrique produite, mais pendant le fonctionnement de ces piles les concentrations de l'électrolyte autour des électrodes, tendent â s'égaliser et la force électromotrice de ces piles finit par s'annuler; la quantité d' electricite fournie est limitée. Au contraire, dans la présenté pile, les concentrations des phases en contact avec les electrodes se maintiennent invariables, la quantity d'électricité que cette pile peut débiter n' est limitée. Gette pile transforme indéfiniment la chàieur du milieu ambiant en energie electric, elle contredit donc 3rd deuxième princïpé, de la thermodynamique.
FR577087
Electric battery.
The purpose of the present invention is a battery transforming the heat of the environment into electrical energy.
This battery is formed of two liquid phases, or one liquid phase and a gaseous phase, both phases being in contact,
but are not miscible, or finally of a single liquid phase; two electrodes and metal or coal in contact with the phases.
The electrodes, are, in any case, unassailable by liquids or gases with which they come into contact; their weight and nature remain unchanged during rest and operation of the cell, differing in this from all batteries known.
The liquid phase-gas battery remains equally invariable; no chemical reaction is occurring between elements of the battery, phases, and electrodes.
The attached figures of 1-3 indicate various forms of realization of the battery, object of the invention.
FIG 1 represents a battery formed of two phases, Liquids A and B, the electrodes being completely immersed in one phase A, the other in phase B.
Example referring to FIG 1.
Phases A and B resulting from a mixture of water, amyl alcohol and sodium hydroxide mixture that separates, in balance in two phases, especially aqueous phase B, phase A above alcoholic.
The electrodes are carbon or platinum.
The electromotive force, led outside, from A to B is, at room temperature room, about 0.4 volt.
FIG 2 is a stack in which one of the phases is liquid and the other phase is liquid or gaseous.
One of the electrodes is partly immersed in one of the phases, in part in the other phase, and the second electrode is completely immersed in one of the phases.
Example relating to FIG.2 -- Phase B is formed from an aqueous solution of sodium hydroxide; phase A is formed of air and vapor of B or benzene.
The electrodes are platinum, nickel or carbon.
The electromotive force directed out of A to B at room temperature, is between 0.4, 0.8 volts.
Figure 3 shows a battery formed of a single liquid, wherein there are two different electrodes.
Example relating to Figure 3. - The liquid is formed of water made a good conductor of electricity by an alkali metal salt, for example sodium carbonate, and the electrodes are formed either of two different metals such as platinum and nickel, either a metal electrode and another electrode carbon, or an electrode carbon and another electrode also carbon, but of different quality -- for example, a graphite electrode and the other of retort carbon, or a carbon electrode and the other wood charcoal, etc..
The electrodes can be formed of a mass of powders contained in bags or porous vessels, etc.
The electromotive force is between 0.4 and 0.8 volts.
In all preferred embodiments of the battery, the phases are in chemical equilibrium; no reaction takes place between the phases in contact, and there will not occur concentration of the phases, as is the case during cell operation of known concentration.
No change interferes either in weight or nature of the electrodes.
The battery cools during its function, at ambient temperature, which can be an environment of air, water, earth, etc., and receives from the medium heat equivalent to the electrical energy developed.
In other batteries the external medium heat is equivalent to the electrical energy produced, but during operation of those batteries concentrations of the electrolyte around the electrodes tend to equalize and the emf of these cells eventually vanishes; the quantity of electricity supplied is limited.
In contrast, in the present battery, the concentrations of the phase in contact with the electrodes remain invariable, and the quantity of electricity is not limited.
This cell transforms environmental heat to electric energy; it contradicts the second principle of thermodynamics.
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http://www.rexresearch.com/karpen/vasile-karpen.pdf
sometimes to understand one thing you must understand something else keep this in mind when you going through some of these topics they're all on the same thing but they're all talking about something we think are quite different. Creating a battery that will last for long periods of time is been found in nature and has been studied for some time now why again wouldn't we know about this sooner oh, of course you know it has to do with marketing you can't Market something that people rarely buy!
It's what you call an oxymoron if you get my drift especially when you're trying to make a profit. But let's go into this battery and people who replicated it below
another Karpen Pile replication but this time i used some different chemicals. What was interesting is that
had a cup of water that i poured hand sanitizer on it and it rested on top. I placed the same metal electordes
of copper in each liquid but i got nothing until i added the sodium hydroxide or drain cleaner to the mix and
it started working. I think if this was merely a concentration cell than the drain cleaner would not be needed
and the cell would work without it but instead the drain cleaner is needed. Also I can short out the two copper
electrodes but yet no bubbles form, this is leading me to think that this is not a chemical cell. It is amazing
that it works. I'm also surprised by the lack of people wanting to work on his replications.
Nicolae Vasilesco Karpen
Google "Vasile Karpen", and you'll find thousands of this:
"Built by Vasile Karpen, the pile has been working uninterrupted for 60 years..."
Here is is again, PLUS his French Patent ( erroneously reported as being patented in 1922 -- actually, it was 1924 ) -- and an English translation.
Water is just amazing. I feel like we will never fully understand water even though it seems so simple. I recommend watching the video below, it gives good information about water and this info could help you better understand your crystal cells better.
Crystal Cells and Bubbles
If you ever build a crystal cell or even a simple water battery you notice sometimes that bubbles will form on the electrodes. You might be wondering what do these bubbles do? I have a idea that these bubbles are the reason why the electrodes corrode, thanks to Cavitation!
Cavitation is a real big problem with boats impellers and it all has to do with bubbles. I bet you didn’t know that bubbles are one of the most destructive things in the world? Watch the video below to have your mind blown and to help you better understand that the bubbles could be the reason why your crystal or water cells corrode.
27 December 2010
Karpen's Pile: A Battery That Produces Energy Continuously Since 1950 Exists in Romanian Museum
by
Ovidiu Sandru
by
Ovidiu Sandru
The "Dimitrie Leonida" National Technical Museum from Romania hosts a weird kind of battery. Built by Vasile Karpen, the pile has been working uninterrupted for 60 years. "I admit it's also hard for me to advance the idea of an overunity generator without sounding ridiculous, even if the object exists," says Nicolae Diaconescu, engineer and director of the museum.
An old photo of Karpen's pile
The invention cannot be exposed because the museum doesn't have enough money to buy the security system necessary for such an exhibit.
Half a century ago, the pile's inventor had said it will work forever, and so far it looks like he was right. Karpen's perpetual motion machine now sits secured right in the director's office. It has been called "the uniform-temperature thermoelectric pile," and the first prototype has been built in the 1950s. Although it should have stopped working decades ago, it didn't.
The scientists can't explain how the contraption, patented in 1922, works. The fact that still puzzles them is how a man of such a scientific stature such as Karpen's could have started building something "that crazy."
The prototype has been assembled in 1950 and consists of two series-connected electric piles moving a small galvanometric motor. The motor moves a blade that is connected to a switch. With every half rotation, the blade opens the circuit and closes it at the the start of the second half. The blade's rotation time had been calculated so that the piles have time to recharge and that they can rebuild their polarity during the time that the circuit is open.
The purpose of the motor and the blades was to show that the piles actually generate electricity, but they're not needed anymore, since current technology allows us to measure all the parameters and outline all of them in a more proper way.
A Romanian newspaper, ZIUA (The Day), went to the museum for an interview with director Diaconescu. He took the system ouT of its secured shelf and allowed the specialists to measure its output with a digital multimeter. This happened on Feb. 27, 2006, and the batteries had indicated the same 1 Volt as back in 1950.
They had mentioned that "unlike the lessons they teach you in the 7th grade physics class, the 'Karpen's Pile' has one of its electrodes made of gold, the other of platinum, and the electrolyte (the liquid that the two electrodes are immersed in), is high-purity sulfuric acid." Karpen's device could be scaled up to harvest more power, adds Diaconescu.
Karpen's battery had been exhibited in several scientific conferences in Paris, Bucharest and Bologna, Italy, where its construction had been explained widely. Researchers from the University of Brasov and the Polytechnic University of Bucharest in Romania have even performed special studies on the battery, but didn't pull a clear conclusion.
"The French showed themselves very interested by this patrimonial object in the 70s, and wanted to take it. Our museum has been able to keep it, though. As time passed, the fact that the battery doesn't stop producing energy is more and more clear, giving birth to the legend of a perpetual motion machine."
Some scientists say the device works by transforming thermal energy into mechanical work, but Diaconescu doesn't subscribe to this theory.
According to some who studied Karpen's theoretical work, the pile he invented defies the second principle of thermodynamics (referring to the transformation of thermal energy into mechanical work), and this makes it a second-degree perpetual motion machine. Others say it doesn't, being merely a generalization to the law, and an application of zero point energy.
If Karpen was right, and the principle is 100% correct, it would revolutionize all of the physics theories from the bottom up, with hard to imagine consequences. Though I guess this isn't going to happen very soon, the museum still needs proper private funding to acquire the necessary security equipment required by the police to exhibit the device.
EC: H01M6/00; Y02E60/12
IPC: H01M6/00; H01M6/00
1924-08-30
Pile électrique. L'objet de la présente invention est une pile électrique transformant la chaleur du milieu ambiant en énergie électrique. Cette pile est formée, soit de deux. phases liquides, soit l'une phase liquide et d'une phase gazeuse, les deux phases étant en contact, mais n'étant pas miscibles, soit enfin d'une seule phase liquide; et de deux électrodes en métal ou en charbon en contact avec les phases. Les électrodes sont, dans tous les cas, inattaquables par les liquides ou les gaz:avec lesquels elles sn trouvent en contact, leur poids et leur na ture restent invariables pendant le repos et le fonctionnement de la pile, différant en cela de toutes les piles connues. Il en est de même des différentes phases liquides ou gazeuses de la pile, lesquelles resténf égaiement invariablés, aucune réaction chimique ne seproduisant entre les éléments de la pile phases et electrodes.
Les figures annexées de i â 3 indiquent des formes diverses de réalisation de la pile, objet de l'invention.
La figure 1 représente une pile formée de deux phases liquides A et B, les électrodes étant complètement immergées l'une dans la phase A, l'autre dans la phase B.
Exemple se rapportant â la figure 2. Les phases A et B résultant d'un mélange d'eau, d'alcool amylique et d'hydroxyde de sodium, mélange qui se sépare, â l'équilibre, en deux phases; la phase B surtout aqueuse, la phase A surtout alcoolique. Les électrodes sont en charbon ou en platine. La force électromotrive, dirigée, â l'extérieur, de A vers B est, â la température de la chambre, d'environ 0,4- voit. La figure n représente une pile dans la quelle l'une des phases est liquide et l'autre phase est liquide ou gazeuse. L'une des electrodes est en partie immersed dans l'une des phases, en partie dans l'autre phase, la deuxième électrode est complètement im mergée dans l'une des phases.
Exemple se rapportant â la figure 3. La phase B est formée d'une solution- aqueuse d'hydroxyde de sodium, la phase A est formée d'air et de vapeurs- de B ou de benzine. Les électrodes sont en platine, en nickel ou en charbon. La force électromotrice dirigée, â l'extérieur, de À vers B est; â la température de la chambre, comprise entre o,4 et o,8 voit.
La figure 3 représente une pile formée d'un seul liquide, dans lequel se trouvent deux électrodes différentes.
Exemple se rapportant â la figure 3. Le liquide est formé d'eau rendue bonne con ductrice de l'électricity par un sel alcalin, par exemple le carbonate de sodium, et les electrodes sont formées : soit de deux métaux dif férents comme le platine et le nickel, soit d'une électrode métallique et d'une autre electrode en charbon, soit encore d'une électrode en charbon et d'une autre électrode toujours en charbon, mais de qualite différente, par exemple, une électrode en graphite et l'autre en charbon de cornue ou une électrode en charbon de bois et l'autre en charbon de cornue, etc. Les électrodes peuvent être mas sives ou formées de poudres contenues dans. des sacs, ou des vases poreux, etc. La force électromotrice est comprise entre o, & et 0,8 voit.
Dans tous les modes d'exécution de la presente pile, les phases sont en équilibre chimique; aucune réaction n'a lieu entre les phases en contact, il ne se produit aucune va riation de la concentration des phases, comme c'est le cas pendant le fonctionnement des piles de concentration connues. Aucun changement n'intervient non plus dans le poids ou la nature des electrodes. La pile se refroidit, pendant le fonctionment, sous la tempéra ture du milieu ambiant, lequel peut être un milieu naturel que Pair, Peau, la terre, etc., et reçoit de ce milieu la chaleur équivalente â l'énergie électrique déveloped.
'Les piles connues de concentration, emp aussi au milieu extérieur la chaleur équivalente à l'énergie électrique produite, mais pendant le fonctionnement de ces piles les concentrations de l'électrolyte autour des électrodes, tendent â s'égaliser et la force électromotrice de ces piles finit par s'annuler; la quantité d' electricite fournie est limitée. Au contraire, dans la présenté pile, les concentrations des phases en contact avec les electrodes se maintiennent invariables, la quantity d'électricité que cette pile peut débiter n' est limitée. Gette pile transforme indéfiniment la chàieur du milieu ambiant en energie electric, elle contredit donc 3rd deuxième princïpé, de la thermodynamique.
FR577087
Electric battery.
The purpose of the present invention is a battery transforming the heat of the environment into electrical energy.
This battery is formed of two liquid phases, or one liquid phase and a gaseous phase, both phases being in contact,
but are not miscible, or finally of a single liquid phase; two electrodes and metal or coal in contact with the phases.
The electrodes, are, in any case, unassailable by liquids or gases with which they come into contact; their weight and nature remain unchanged during rest and operation of the cell, differing in this from all batteries known.
The liquid phase-gas battery remains equally invariable; no chemical reaction is occurring between elements of the battery, phases, and electrodes.
The attached figures of 1-3 indicate various forms of realization of the battery, object of the invention.
FIG 1 represents a battery formed of two phases, Liquids A and B, the electrodes being completely immersed in one phase A, the other in phase B.
Example referring to FIG 1.
Phases A and B resulting from a mixture of water, amyl alcohol and sodium hydroxide mixture that separates, in balance in two phases, especially aqueous phase B, phase A above alcoholic.
The electrodes are carbon or platinum.
The electromotive force, led outside, from A to B is, at room temperature room, about 0.4 volt.
FIG 2 is a stack in which one of the phases is liquid and the other phase is liquid or gaseous.
One of the electrodes is partly immersed in one of the phases, in part in the other phase, and the second electrode is completely immersed in one of the phases.
Example relating to FIG.2 -- Phase B is formed from an aqueous solution of sodium hydroxide; phase A is formed of air and vapor of B or benzene.
The electrodes are platinum, nickel or carbon.
The electromotive force directed out of A to B at room temperature, is between 0.4, 0.8 volts.
Figure 3 shows a battery formed of a single liquid, wherein there are two different electrodes.
Example relating to Figure 3. - The liquid is formed of water made a good conductor of electricity by an alkali metal salt, for example sodium carbonate, and the electrodes are formed either of two different metals such as platinum and nickel, either a metal electrode and another electrode carbon, or an electrode carbon and another electrode also carbon, but of different quality -- for example, a graphite electrode and the other of retort carbon, or a carbon electrode and the other wood charcoal, etc..
The electrodes can be formed of a mass of powders contained in bags or porous vessels, etc.
The electromotive force is between 0.4 and 0.8 volts.
In all preferred embodiments of the battery, the phases are in chemical equilibrium; no reaction takes place between the phases in contact, and there will not occur concentration of the phases, as is the case during cell operation of known concentration.
No change interferes either in weight or nature of the electrodes.
The battery cools during its function, at ambient temperature, which can be an environment of air, water, earth, etc., and receives from the medium heat equivalent to the electrical energy developed.
In other batteries the external medium heat is equivalent to the electrical energy produced, but during operation of those batteries concentrations of the electrolyte around the electrodes tend to equalize and the emf of these cells eventually vanishes; the quantity of electricity supplied is limited.
In contrast, in the present battery, the concentrations of the phase in contact with the electrodes remain invariable, and the quantity of electricity is not limited.
This cell transforms environmental heat to electric energy; it contradicts the second principle of thermodynamics.
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http://www.rexresearch.com/karpen/vasile-karpen.pdf
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